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Язык и алфавит, тут же божественное и еритическое в кучу
РианДата: Четверг, 01.05.2008, 20:10 | Сообщение # 26
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Ночная_Кобыла,
Тока копытами не бей, ладно? oops Размышляю как могу.
Упростить картину мира, упростить вообще - вроде бы то ли самый простой, то ли вообще почти единственный способ понять для себя нечто бесконечно сложное и малопознаваемое. Упрощения - они потому и упрощения, что с ними проще жить и думать, а жизнь и так тяжела, чтоб еще и о картинах мира размышлять, если к таким размышлениям не приучен с детства. Оно вот надо средневековому крестьянину, задумываться? Ему не по фиг, отчего зимой идет снег, а кровь красного цвета? Зачем вообще люди всегда упрощают все, что только могут упростить, зачем стремятся к предельной простоте и однозначности любых выводов? Кроме того, если человек воспитан в монотеизме, ему и в голову не придет искать чего-то более сложного, это для него норма, а вот замена политеизма на моно, насколько мне известно, почти всегда проходила очень тяжело и не очень успешно.

Кстати, мне сегодня попалась одна книжка по истории средних веков... Аффтары, похоже, свято верят в то, что христианизация варварских племен была для оных племен офигенным благом, лучшим, что вообще могло с ними случиться, а все, им в этих варварах не нравится, они объясняют в духе "ну чего взять с варваров-язычников". Интересно, в каком разе угробленная культура, насильственно замененная искуственной и более чем корявой чужой религией может быть каким бы то ни было благом? :?

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*откопав добавление к прошлому посту*
Без языка невозможна культура, так ведь?


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Ночная_КобылаДата: Четверг, 01.05.2008, 20:26 | Сообщение # 27
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Риан, мне сдается вы притягиваете за уши европейских крестьян и славян. Люди, которые создавали изумительные по образности памятники слова, не похожи на людей, которые в обиходе пользуют 2 тыщи слов. Нет, сам язык говорит за себя. Славянские тексты безумно поэтичны и сложны в описании мира вокруг человека (кстати слово человек связано самоиндификации людей из мира за счет разума, бо дословно означает головастик ж)), наш исконный язык (ненаучный) при произнесении вслух рождает кучу ассоциаций на уровне инстинкта. Славянское миротворчество вообще будоражит ум. Я знаю очень немного языков, неродственных славянским, которые имеют такую поэтичность. И все они очень древние по меркам цивилизации. Не нужно считать наших пращуров дикарями. Они были в чем-то умнее нас, значительно умнее, чем бы нам хотелось.
Насильственное насаждение монотеизма сделала наш ум узконаправленным в по одной узкой тропочке, не допускающей шаг влево, шаг вправо. Закостенел ость в мышлении - это регресс, а не прогресс.


Но, пока я живой, страдаю больной головой -
Слабое место мое, потому что я - воин. (с) Тэм.

Comedamus tandem, et bibamus, cras enim moriemur.

 
РианДата: Четверг, 01.05.2008, 20:32 | Сообщение # 28
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Ночная_Кобыла,
Я не притягиваю за уши, я упрощаю вследствие скудоумия и элементарного невежества. no А понятия прогресса и регресса не относительны? С точки зрения закостенелости благом будет именно закостенелость. Но, так как свернуть ему нельзя, оно и прет усиленно по этой узкой тропке, прилагает усилия в одном направлении - вот тебе и кое-какой прогресс, только, кажется, в тупиковом направлении.


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Ночная_КобылаДата: Четверг, 01.05.2008, 20:41 | Сообщение # 29
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Риан, как сказать закостенелость исключает продвижение вперед. Вдумайся в слово "закостенелость" просто =)

Но, пока я живой, страдаю больной головой -
Слабое место мое, потому что я - воин. (с) Тэм.

Comedamus tandem, et bibamus, cras enim moriemur.

 
РианДата: Четверг, 01.05.2008, 20:46 | Сообщение # 30
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Ночная_Кобыла,
Полностью исключить движение вперед, наверное, ничто не сможет, а вот загнать его узкие рамки, под низкий потолок - это как раз закостенелости под силу.


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РианДата: Четверг, 01.05.2008, 20:57 | Сообщение # 31
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Ночная_Кобыла,
А агрессия не упрощает управление, если она грамотно направляема?


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Ночная_КобылаДата: Четверг, 01.05.2008, 21:02 | Сообщение # 32
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Риан, подмена религии, запрет родного языка (полабские славяне) со временем способствуют управлению, да, исчезновению понятия и осознания себя как народа. Но чем все это закончилось на Балканах, вернее, не кончилось, а продолжается по сей день...

Но, пока я живой, страдаю больной головой -
Слабое место мое, потому что я - воин. (с) Тэм.

Comedamus tandem, et bibamus, cras enim moriemur.

 
РианДата: Четверг, 01.05.2008, 21:04 | Сообщение # 33
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Ночная_Кобыла,
Мне кажется, вы не учитываете человеческую способность ошибаться и делать глупости.


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Ночная_КобылаДата: Четверг, 01.05.2008, 21:05 | Сообщение # 34
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Риан, учитываю, но...те, кто ошибался в государственных делах в прошлом, до сих дней не дожили ;)

Но, пока я живой, страдаю больной головой -
Слабое место мое, потому что я - воин. (с) Тэм.

Comedamus tandem, et bibamus, cras enim moriemur.

 
РианДата: Понедельник, 05.05.2008, 18:21 | Сообщение # 35
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Не то чтоб по теме, но про язык же ж..
Ночко, гляньте, на досуге, мельком - словарик адекватный? oops oops oops
http://www.rolemancer.ru/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=1470


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Poison_VortexДата: Понедельник, 05.05.2008, 18:26 | Сообщение # 36
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Риан,
Нельзя было старому цынику это показывать mrgreen


Время - самое страшное, что есть на свете.
Время - полная тьма, и если кто-то потерял в нем что-то - воспоминание... счастливый день... или человека... уже никогда не вернет его.
 
Ночная_КобылаДата: Понедельник, 05.05.2008, 18:33 | Сообщение # 37
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Риан, это они с кириллицы или глаголицы так слова скопирили rofl

Но, пока я живой, страдаю больной головой -
Слабое место мое, потому что я - воин. (с) Тэм.

Comedamus tandem, et bibamus, cras enim moriemur.

 
РианДата: Понедельник, 05.05.2008, 18:34 | Сообщение # 38
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Ночная_Кобыла,
Это следует понимать как "НЕТ! rofl "? roll mrgreen


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Poison_VortexДата: Понедельник, 05.05.2008, 18:37 | Сообщение # 39
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Занятно, многие слова в украинском так и висят, всякие там стэгна и т.п.


Время - самое страшное, что есть на свете.
Время - полная тьма, и если кто-то потерял в нем что-то - воспоминание... счастливый день... или человека... уже никогда не вернет его.
 
Ночная_КобылаДата: Понедельник, 05.05.2008, 18:43 | Сообщение # 40
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Риан, не совсем нет, там просто форма слов взята разная, а так похоже, но ближе к позднему периоду
Poison_Vortex, фишка в том, что общеславянский он и должен быть понятен всем, в том числе и украинцам, и белоруссам, и русским. Общие корни, только гласные меняются :)


Но, пока я живой, страдаю больной головой -
Слабое место мое, потому что я - воин. (с) Тэм.

Comedamus tandem, et bibamus, cras enim moriemur.

 
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Olive-Leaf is the foliage of the olive tree (Olea europaea). While olive oil is well known because of its taste and health benefits, the foliage has been used medicinally in several times and places.citation needed Olive leaf and olive leaf infusions (OLE), are now marketed as anti-aging, immunostimulator, and antibiotic agents. Although there is some lab signs for all these results in biological standardization studies (i.e., bioassays), clinical signs in humans is undetermined.

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Olive-Leaf is the leaf of the olive tree (Olea europaea). While olive-oil is famous for its flavor and health benefits, the leaf has been used medicinally in a variety of times and places.date=january 2008 Olive-Leaf and olive-leaf extracts (OLE), are now promoted as anti-ageing, immunostimulator, and antibiotic brokers. Although there is some lab signs for all these results in natural standardization experiments (i.e., bioassays), clinical signs in humans is undetermined.

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Olive leaf is the leaf of the olive tree (Olea europaea). While olive oil is famous for the taste and wellness benefits, the foliage has been utilized medicinally in a variety of occasions and places.date=january 2009 Olive-Leaf and olive leaf extracts (OLE), are now marketed as anti-aging, immunostimulator, and antibiotic brokers. Though there is some lab evidence for these results in biological standardization tests (i.e., bioassays), clinical evidence in humans is undetermined.

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Olive-Leaf is the foliage of the olive tree (Olea europaea). While olive oil is well known because of its taste and health benefits, the foliage has been utilized medicinally in a variety of instances and places.date=april 2008 Olive leaf and olive leaf infusions (OLE), are today promoted as anti-aging, immunostimulator, and antibiotic brokers. Even though there is some lab signs for all these effects in organic standardization experiments (i.e., bioassays), medical evidence in humans is inconclusive.

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